April 4th, 2007 - Yahoo group mass email.
GREETINGS MIGHTY DEVIL DOGS THUS FAR OUR PACT WITH XG HAS GONE WELL. WE ARE GRATEFUL TO HAVE THEIR ASSISTANCE AND WORK TOGETHER WITH THEM. THE WAR WITH CB CONTINUES AND THUS FAR GOING WELL, IT IS CRUCIAL THAT WE HAVE MORE PARTICIPATION FROM OUR MEMBERS... ALSO I NEED UPDATE FROM ALL MEMBERS ASAP, THERE ARE SOME MEMBERS THAT ARE MIA. SALVIK WE NEED TO HEAR FROM U! AND ALSO ALL OTHERS PLEASE RESPOND SO WE KNOW YOUR WHEREABOUTS!!!!!!!!! PLEASE POST YOUR WHEREABOUTS ON THIS WEBSITE ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ATTENTION TO ORDERS, DUE TO HIS TIME AND SERVICE RAMMSTEIN IS NOW THE VICE LEADER TO DD, HE ANSWERS ONLY TO ME AND SPEAKS ON MY BEHALF! LET’S GIVE A DEVIL DOG HELL YEAH!!!! AGAIN I CANNOT EXPRESS THE IMPORTANCE OF MY ROLE CALL, MUCH IS GOING ON IN DD. I MUST GET WITH ALL MEMBERS SO WE CAN ALL BE VERSED ON CURRENT ISSUES WITH DD AND WHAT DIRECTION IT IS GOING!!! PLEASE RESPOND ASAP!!!!!
DEVIL DOGS FOR LIFE!!!!!!! HAWKEYE OUT
June 23th, 2007 - SAW Razzor and DD struggle to set up relations
It’s a little more complicated than that. I have already offered peace to dark demons and the rest but some of the clans don't want peace. They are allied with others who will help them, I told you all along we want no hostility with saw in fact we had relations. You tell me what happened?
brashbr [at] comcast [dot] net wrote:
Yet another of your clan member has fallen from the heavens. Naruto A3 will be missed I'm sure. Your clan is sending you a signal, are you listening? War does take its toll on everyone. Lets just drop it!, put away the school yard antics and let’s just have fun playing one of the most entertaining games ever put out. We don't want war and the WP doesn't want war and by the signs of things your clan doesn't want war. I have sent 3 emails to you and all have gone without a written response. If we are to resolve our issues it will have to take place here in diplomacy in emails, not it cyber space. Perhaps you will feel more like talking when a few more of you clan members quit. You know they will just join someone else clan perhaps WP's, SaW's or form their own clan much like Santa and I did when we left CB. Come on and open a dialog with me and let’s end this once and for all...
June 23rd, 2007 - DD continues to strive for relations with SaW under razzor command
We’ll look forward to better relations as you well know none of this was to involve saw
brashbr [at] comcast [dot] net wrote:
Due to last night’s happenings, I have ordered not to fire on DD= members unless WP sends for us or if we come under fire from DD=. We entered into DD= space last night, I asked my fleet to form up. As we were forming up each of us were banned from the server. We didn't even fire. I was there to ask questions, because I need answers. Communication is vital to all of us that are in this mess. Janeway came into our server and remained cloaked. I tried to get her to talk, but she was not very forthcoming. I booted her a couple of times to get her attention. Unfortunately when she uncloaked my server crashed. It is crucial that we have communication with one another. I believe that I can persuade WP to stand down and end this war. This will put us back on the track of elevating our status with DD= form NAP to reinstating our alliance.
June 24th - Mass email DD SaW relations
MANY HAVE NOT LET GO OF DD'S PAST, ITS NOT THAT DD HAS NOT LET GO ITS THOSE THAT REMEMBER A TIME WHEN DD APPEARED TO BE A WARRING CLAN. BUT THIS TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE SIDE TO THE STORY, REMEMBER THAT IT TAKES TWO TO TUMBLE. WE JUST BECAME THE CLAN THAT CLANS WANTED TO HATE AND SOME ALTHOUGH HAVE CHANGED NAMES, STILL HATE DD TODAY. RAZZOR I ASSURE YOU IT IS NOT DD'S WILL TO FIGHT AND OVERCOME ALL OF BC. I WILL ALSO ASSURE YOU WE WILL STAND UP FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE IN AND IT IS CHALLENGING BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE OUR HISTORY MANY CLANS ALREADY HAVE THERE GUNS LOADED AND PREPARED TO FIRE. NOW IN ALL FAIRNESS IF I GO INTO ANYTHING WITH A NEGATIVE THOUGHT THE OUTCOME USUALLY WILL BECOME THAT WAY. I CAN NOT EXPLAIN THE WHOLE REASON DD HAS ITS REPUTATION, BUT I WILL ASSURE YOU IT WAS NOT ALL OUR FAULT AS THE PICTURE IS PAINTED.
ALTHOUGH YOU MAY SAY WELL MANY OTHER CLANS AGREE, ALL THOSE CLANS THAT FEEL THAT WAY WERE ALL PART OF ONE ENTITY AT ONE TIME AND WE WERE AT WAR WITH THEM. NOW THEY HAVE GONE INTO OTHER CLANS AND PERHAPS STARTED OTHER CLANS BUT THEY STILL ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WITH THE SAME VIEWS AND UNFORTUNATELY WE HAD VERY FEW FRIENDS IN THE PAST SO WE HAVE NO ONE TO SUPPORT OUR POINT OF VIEW. BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS, I THINK SAW IS A GOOD CLAN WE HAVE TALKED IN THE PAST AND I WISH YOUR CLAN WELL EITHER WAY. BUT IN THE END A CLAN MUST DO WHAT A CLAN MUST DO REGARDLESS OF WHAT EVERYONE ELSE THINKS. YOU MUST STAND UP FOR WHATS BEST FOR YOUR CLAN. I HAVE OFFERED PEACE AND I HOPE TO GET IT. BUT IN THE PAST IT HAS BEEN THAT MANY WILL BETRAY TO WANT PEACE ONLY TO GAIN THE SUPPORT OF OTHERS AND HOPE TO DEGRADE THE CLAN THEY ARE AT WAR WITH.
I HAVE PLAYED THIS ROLE BEFORE I HAVE TRIED PEACE HOW THEY WANTED IT BEFORE BY GOING GREEN ALERT AND NOT BEING ABLE TO FIRE BACK EVEN AS THEY FIRE ON US AND STEPPING DOWN FROM LEADERSHIP ANNOUNCING SURRENDER, APOLOGIZING... I HAVE DONE IT ALL AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER. BUT I FOUND YOU CAN NOT GAIN PEACE IF THE TRUE INTENTIONS OF YOUR ENEMY IS NOT TO HAVE PEACE. I WILL NOT DANCE THIS TUNE AGAIN AND I HOPE YOU RESPECT THAT. I HAVE OFFERED PEACE NO CONDITIONS AND THAT’S ALL I WILL DO. WE WISH YOU WELL
brashbr [at] comcast [dot] net wrote:
Then I trust you will find a way to resolve this conflict with WP quickly. I do not want this to escalate to the point that we must be on red alert 24/7 with DD. I have been told from many factions that Devil Dogs can't be trusted. I have not found that to be the case. SaW has always been treated fairly by you as well as your members.
As you can see I would rather communicate through e-mail than at the forums. You have to sensor what you write there due to security issues. Let’s keep the line of communication open between us and I will do what I can at this end to get WP to disarm.
On another issue, I have learned that Dark Demons have disbanded. No reason given.
Be well Hawkeye
June 26th - DD saw relations not going well under Razzor's command
INTERESTING, AGAIN DD WISH NO HOSTILITIES TO YOU. ONE OF TWO THINGS HAS HAPPENED AND THIS IS ME BEING HONEST WITH YOU. 1 MANY ARE IMPOSTERING DD, INCLUDING IMPOSTERING ME TO DRAG YOUR CLAN INTO THIS WAR OR I ADMIT THERE IS SOME INTERNAL ISSUES GOING ON WITH DD SOME MEMBERS ARE LOOKING TO OVER THROW DD AND IT MAY INCLUDE SMITH. PLEASE KEEP THAT BETWEEN U AND I BUT KNOW DD DOES NOT WISH CONFLICT WITH SAW!
brashbr [at] comcast [dot] net wrote:
I have been informed that DD= Smith opened fire on SaW RAGE*CoSO on Sunday night. FA Santa asked them to ask for a duel. DD Smith would not comply with the request. RAGE had a SaW server up that read "SaW Space Duels" Smith came back into the game the second time with an Excalibur and began shooting all that was in the sever. Please confirm this or have you declared war on SaW.
July 1st, 2007 - Saw continues to make relations with DD difficult, I begin to lose my patience
RAZZOR YOU CAN REST ASSURED THAT DD WISHES TO CONTINUE GOOD RELATIONS WITH SAW. I'M NOT CERTAIN OF THIS INDIVIDUAL U MENTIONED IF HE IS EVEN A DD MEMBER BUT I SHALL CHECK INTO IT.
brashbr [at] comcast [dot] net wrote:
I hope that you were able to set up an NAP with W9. I am looking forward to upgrading our status with DD= to an MPP. But something has come up tonight and I hope that you will join us in SaW space tonight to clear this issue. Tonight a member of SK said. “By the orders of DD all SaW must be purged"! I trust that he was just a rogue individual being an ass. Just the same I look forward to seeing you in SaW space or e-mail me to clarify.
Be well Hawkeye.
August 10th, 2007 - We make contact with Santa of SAW who still is blinded by Razzor's politics.
SANTA DO ALLOW ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS, LETS SEE WHAT REALLY HAPPENED AND WE WILL SEAL OUR DEAL. I WANT US TO PROCEED! I TOLD YOU IT WILL TAKE THE WEEKEND TO WORK IT OUT AND THERE WILL BE A FEW DD I WILL HAVE TO ADDRESS. THE NWO IS IMPORTANT TO ME AND I WANT IT TO WORK. GIVE IT A CHANCE.
Pharaoh of Phones <celluwireless> wrote:
Your team is at it again, smith fired on martok. I wanted to work it out with us man I really did, this is bullshit. Smith is like a cancer to DD he does not want peace between us I wish you could just stop the war man, just call it off no more war...
Anyways what we discussed will remain between us I will honor that but I wish the war could stop
Die with honor
August 12th, 2007 - Santa begins to care less of what WP wants or our relations else were Saw begins to weaken its stance against DD
We have given a great deal of thought to our conversation with you and Smith the other evening. We also had a conference with WP Confed and Sent that very evening. We addressed your thoughts in a coalition with the major clans in BC. As well as what it would take to end this war once and for all. SaW and WP do not share DD's goals for a United Coalition nor do we support a New World Order. SaW and WP share similar values on the etiquette in hosting a server. Such as, fire when fired upon, ask for a duels, and so forth. These are basic rules that most clans adhere to and I am sure that these customs are applied in DD.
You spoke, that in the past there used to be a coalition. It seems to me that it didn't work in the past, or it still would be around today. It is today is what we should concentrate on and not the past. A coalition of joined clans, saying who can be a clan and who can't and who can play and who can't, is a bit God like in attitude. Don't you think? SaW and WP are not here to dictate who can or who can't play. We are here to enjoy and play the game as it was meant to be. It is people that make the game complicated. No one person or clan should ever think that they rule supreme or can rid one clan from BC. To think this way is disturbing. If, when Santa and I had been faced with a coalition, we would have ignored you and went about our business. It reminds me of elementary school and the bullies on the playground. I think, I hope we have grown past this level of mentality by now.
We welcome new clans to form. We look forward in establishing relations with new clans. Not to squelch them but to give support. Hawkeye, you were supportive of Saw's beginnings and offered assistance to our new and fast growing clan. We thank you for that. We also thank WP for all of their support while were growing. We want as many people to play BC as possible. Perhaps there might be more players in the future if we just treated them with respect rather than with contempt or see them as a threat. And when I say respect that means we do not do anything covertly to provoke them into war. Some out there, get a thrill out of knocking over the apple cart, or playing he said she said games. So moving on...
WP and SaW say no. We will not help in a coalition with DD. Its pure arrogance and selfish in its action. We all know when to use a fork at the dinner table or which side of the road to drive on. And for those who don't, then they are lucky that they have people like us to help them along their way. We are not here to play God. We do not go out of our way to cause problems. We do go out of our way to find solutions. And you pointed out that, WP, DD, and SaW are the major clans in BC and a handful of minor clans. You said that when it first came out there were 20 or more clans and it was chaotic. Now there are only 3 major clans and it should be running smooth by now. But it isn't. I have already said, but I'll say it again. It is people that make it difficult. Bridge Commander came out about 7 years ago and one day in the future it will perish and a new game will replace it.
You spoke of impostors in the game and we have had our share in our servers. Perhaps we need to find a way to identify our authenticity.
It was most respectful of you and Smith to join us in a conference. SaW wants the hostilities to end as soon as possible. WP feels if DD calls for a ceasefire they will more than likely comply. SaW wants a ceasefire, with or without a ceasefire with WP. Confed respects our decision in this matter. He understands that our first and foremost priority is to our clan. In spite of being at war with DD we still respect you and your clan members. We understand it isn't personal. But at the same time DD did draw first blood with WP and Saw.
Then bottom line here gentlemen is if we can't get along with just 3 clans. How the hell could anyone think we could operate a United Coalition or establish a New World Order? There will always be that one person that thinks the he or she should be calling the shots.
Let’s put this war in its proper perspective. It’s about having respect for one another and each others clan. Its elementary gentlemen, it’s the golden rule... Do unto others as you would have done to you.
We await your reply.
Best regards Hawkeye, Smith, Cartman and the rest of DD members
August 13th, 2007 - HAWKEYE has enough politics sends out mass email.
I DD=HAWKEYE=L have spent more time talking politics with your clans and we have gotten nowhere. In regards to Saw you have known our intentions since day one, you do not like DD views and that's fine however honor will be re-installed in BC with or without you. The NGO (NEW GALACTIC ORDER) is coming there are many who want to see it grow. The list so far includes only DD and HH we are ironing out the details with BSE as we speak and more are to come! You guys don't trust me or DD but you break your agreements over and over. For example; SAW you wanted to be allies and you cancelled, you wanted nap and you cancelled, you wanted a cease fire and you cancelled!! Truth be known I don't believe you at all, in fact I've lost all respect for you.
I admit DD is guilty of a lot of things but SAW I have given you more than a fair chance and that time is now over! In regards to WP...hell they just CU with another name and soon will perish as they have in the past. Their word is no good either with their false treaties trying to get people to sign a bunch of hogwash that you’ll change your mind as soon as you want screw that and forgive me but screw you! We will not sign your worthless meaningless treaties for they have no substance if they did I would consider it. Throughout the years you may hear DD has lost many battles, well that's partial truth. We have always been out numbered but we keep coming back for more and more and more.
On several occasions I had to leave because of personal problems and many tried hard to maintain DD but without me it did not work. Before you go, remember a few thing gents. DD is still here. DD has been in and out of wars some much bigger than this for 5 years. DD is not the little clan it once was. Battles can be lost my friends but wars, well we still fighting ours 5 years later... Can your clan withhold that time frame at war? I’ll be honest I’m just getting started and gaining momentum I truly expected some membership loss but to my surprise many have stepped up to the plate. Also as we speak gents. Others are not just siding with you they starting to side a little with DD also. We will go it alone we always have but this time it appears that perhaps some disagree with you like CB AND HH AND BSE the list is building and the NGO is in the works which should also show you that I’m not real concerned with your clans if I can fight this war and aid minor clans meanwhile plan for the NGO gives you an idea of how stable I feel at the moment. DD is in the best shape it has ever been and if it wasn't I still fight ya for what I believe and I promise I am not leaving on any accord, no way not this time.
The battles are over and the clans that one a few are not around today. The NGO is coming and honor will be re-installed in BC and if I gotta step on a few toes to get there then so be it. AT least i have substance to what I say I have I don't just sway like the wind. Find a goal gents and stick by it don't offer things you don't intend to honor and don't talk about the NGO when you have sided on your own accord as we speak for what you believe in the only difference between my views and yours is you don't agree with them doesn't mean they don't matter or they won’t become reality. I will remind you guys years from now if BC is still around then when your left BC or flying under new tags because your old clan didn't make it that I told ya so. I always say Devil Dogs for Life and that you can take to the bank!
brashbr [at] comcast [dot] net wrote:
To the fleet;
I dispatched this letter below to DD Hawkeye Sunday about 5:30pm
Santa and I had a meeting with Hawkeye and Smith to try to find a way to end the hostilities between SaW, WP and DD. This was our reply to his vision of the future of BC. And for him to realize that respect is earned and not given.
August 13th - SaW Razzor and myself on verge of war. The relations of DD saw could go either way and it’s not looking good.
I LOVE HOW YOU MAKE IT SEEM AS IF THE GAME DOES NOT MATTER TO YOU AS YOU SPEND NIGHT AFTER NIGHT AND TRY TO GET ANYONE'S HELP IN THIS WAR. I GUESS IF IT’S NOT IMPORTANT I HATE TO SEE IF IT WAS. YES HONOR IN THIS GAME IS IMPORTANT TO ME AND MANY OTHERS THAT PLAY BC THEY DON'T WANT JUST A GAME THAT HAS NO RULES AND IS OUT OF CONTROL. EVERYTHING MUST HAVE SOME CONTROL AND I AM NOT FORCING ANYONE TO JOIN THE NGO IT IS AN OPTION BUT ONCE IT IS FORMED AND THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT ARE LAID WE WILL ENFORCE THE RULE OF CONDUCT THAT YOU SHOULD WANT TO OBEYED BY.
OH YEAH MAYBE NOT YOU GUYS BECAUSE ITS JUST A GAME WHO CARES ABOUT HONOR, INTEGRITY. WHO CARES ABOUT THAT WE JUST WANNA COME AND DO WHAT EVER WE WANT AND ENFORCE OUR POLICIES ON YOU BUT GOD FORBID YOU FORCE YOURS ON US. NO ONE MUST JOIN THE NGO IN FACT IT IS ONLY FOR THOSE WHO DO TAKE BC THE GAME SERIOUS PERHAPS I UNDERESTIMATED YOUR CLANS INTENTION IN BC MAY BE YOU GUYS REALLY DON'T CARE DON'T BE UPSET THAT SOME OF US DO MAYBE IF MORE DID WE WOULDN'T NEED RULES PEOPLE WOULD RESPECT OTHERS IN GAME. AND AS FOR THE MUSTACHE STILL WORKING ON IT
brashbr [at] comcast [dot] net wrote:
Zeck Hile, Zeck Hile, Zeck Hile
It would not amaze me if you had a little mustache under your nose. What's next, book burnings and marching through the streets with torches.
Someone is taking this GAME way to seriously. Do you even listen to what you say? Wow I'm so unimpressed. Is there a name for what is wrong with you? Is it Hitleritis?
We too have invested a great deal of time in trying to keep the peace. We did revoke an alliance with DD. Because you keep going to war with those clans that we are friends with. We did revoke your NAP with DD because you come into our servers and show disrespect as well as open fire on SaW when you are in our space, and it was Cartman that gave the order to fire on SaW. You brushed us off and played it down as a stray torpedo. We explained to you that it was an all out attack and you once again played it down as a misfire as well as you said that you didn't want to hear our side of the story. That is why we revoked our NAP with you. You destroyed the fabric of trust that we had with DD. If you would have given the respect that we deserved we would not be at this junction. And you can only play the impostor card just so many times. I don't know about you be we don't go around using other clan's tags. We don't want anyone going to war. The game is more fun just hanging out with friends and dueling.
Look all we are saying Hawkeye is that it’s just a GAME. JUST A GAME we ask that you respect other clans and if we don't want to join NGO then that's our choice and not for you or anyone to shove down ones throat. Maybe this will ring a bell (You will all become one) Don't turn this into something so ugly that no one wants to play this GAME. Why turn a simple GAME into something sinister. Why is it that there is always someone out there that has to spoil a GAME for everyone else. I hope that you take pride in the stories that you tell others about those who do not agree or bend to your will. But let me reiterate, we are not in the GOD business. No one has the right to say who can play and who can't. Is this too adult of a puzzle for you? All we want is to play a STUPID GAME to unwind from our Real Life. Not to have it clouded with conspiracy, hate, anger, threats etc...
If you want a New Galactic Order then by all means knock yourself out. But how can you have a new order to things when YOUR very nature is to destroy, over through and as you put it "step on a few toes" to achieve this NGO. What does that say about you and the NGO and its members? Because you have threaten SaW, WP, FAD, OO and others that if they don't join the NGO then they must be destroyed so that you can achieve your NGO. Is it me or does that sound wrong to anyone else. And NGO is an organization that is offered to join if not be forced upon. No Hawkeye, it is you that have taken your followers down the wrong path. Why can't we just play the damn game as it was meant to be? But you know who cares... Who the hell cares? IT’S JUST A GAME!!! and nothing more... Why is it so hard for you to get your brain around it? If destruction is what makes you happy then I hope that you get it. Lord knows we would want you to be unhappy.
August 14th - WP knight and Saw working but I have had enough. WP claims they will win the war. (Soon to find out very very different)
You know so little about the history of BC to assume I started the wars is not the truth but as I did then and I do now I really don't care what you think. Just as I don't care about your false treaties, your false naps, your false accusations. You have no substance! I've been racking my brain trying to figure out why we have the same old players but they keep changing clans or renaming there clans. I finally got it, you are either ashamed of your past and the things you have done or it got to a point that all of BC knew what your clan was...just a bunch of hogwash! So therefore lets change names, lets change clans...Your views are completely outrageous and out of touch.
On top of that you say we don't take this game serious but will you sign our treaty. We don't take this game serious, but let’s have a clan and get people to ally with us. We don't take this game serious, but night after night you come on to only get reminded that DD is still here. I do agree with SAW about one thing they have said that is this war. No one will win, No one will win and it will go on however as in the past this war and all wars will boil down to which clan can handle the attrition of war. How will you grow with DD on you all the time? How will you get your members to stay with DD on you all the time? How will you focus on clan structure with DD on you all the time?
DD HAS WITHSTOOD ATTRITION FOR MORE THAN 5 YEARS, WE ARE STILL HERE AND VERY HARDENED THROUGH THE YEARS OF WAR. WE WILL CONTINUE ON AND ON WE WILL BE IN YOUR SERVERS, WE WILL BE EVERYWHERE YOU TURN. THERE IS DD ON YOU LIKE FLIES ON A CRAP, WE WILL BE THERE AS WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE AGES OF BC.
I made the statement as Saw joined this war on my boards this time gents. I’m at the helm there will be no drop off from DD I’m driving the ship and i will remain intact. The wars in the past the only hope others had was in my absent but I’m here and the MIGHTY DD ARE HERE. and here to stay this isn't about who has more members who has more allies who can win the most battles who can get the most points gents it about attrition how long will you last? You will do as you have always done fall apart or change names. AND I WILL REMIND YOU YEARS FROM NOW, WEARING MY DD TAGS AS I ALWAYS HAVE!
Knight since you pointed out you will always hold this against DD it no different than all the other times you and whatever clan you were in at the time has and we in DD will always answer your call! YOU WANT A WAR I'LL GIVE YOU A WAR YOU CANT BELIEVE!!! YOU DON'T HAVE THE STOMACH FOR IT!! YOUR CLANS WILL FALL AND I"LL BE HERE CLEANING UP THE MESS, ABSORBING YOUR MEMBERS!
Then the NGO will restore peace and honor in BC and clans can live by a code of conduct that any person who cares about this game would want and I won’t be ruining it, it will be run by a council! For the betterment of BC! TAKE ME OFF YOUR EMAIL LIST I CARE LESS TO HERE YOUR MEANINGLESS JUNK AND IDLE THREATS. SEE YA ON THE FIELD!
Nick Caporaso <noob988> wrote:
I shall make this very simple gentleman. DD started the war. They claim we force policies on them. They claim we started this war. They claim all the general bullshit they are saying. And now they are try to enforce this.....NGO bullshit. This happened before and every time it happens it fails and will fail again. This is just ANOTHER attempt to get more power. I shall this IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN DO YOU HEAR ME HAWKEYE NEVER!!!!!! Anyway as what happened to the last several times DD got into a war, which DD started every single one.
Hawkeye even admitted to me that he started the 1.0 war (not km) back in the day because he was bored. Oh no not bored whatever will we do..... So very simple I have given DD a chance for peace more than enough times. I have helped DD many times and this is how they repay me. I will never forget this. Bottom line DD started the war which he cannot win and we will finish the war and put an end to his lies and general bullshit. Great talking to ya all.
August 15th - Saw finally cuts ties and has cease fire with DD, WP seems to be alone with micro clans support
AGREED AND SEND ANY INFO OF ANY DD MEMBERS NOT ACTING TO RULES IF PROVING IT WILL BE DEALT WITH
brashbr [at] comcast [dot] net wrote:
This just a reminder that since we have a cease fire with DD and we will once again be hosting open house servers. We invite all that wish to come and visit to do so. No war will be fought in Saw space. It is an oasis from the war for those who wish to take a break.
Hawkeye if you would be so kind that, is if you haven't done this already, send word to your allies of our request. As well as Confed do the same. We don't want to get mixed up in this war again.
Best wishes to all.
August 17th - Razzor tries to play politics by agreeing to cease fire but has other plans. LOL they plan to fly under false tags and engage DD anyway. I get there battle plan by mistake. Here is the response.
HEY DUMMIES YOU SENT THIS TO ME, DD=HAWKEYE=L. AS I EXPECTED SAW IS NOT A CLAN OF THEIR WORD, I'LL BE SURE TO POST THE AGREEMENT YOU SENT THAT WE HAVE HONORED AGAIN AND THIS NEW ACT OF AGGRESSION ON SAW'S PART GOOD LUCK!
bob bob <free2redto> wrote:
Ok so it is official Operation Freedom fire will commence Friday night.
We all can’t go in we need to set up a SaW server and act as if it is business as usual. It has be suggested that you use a different ship than you normally would.
We will do this in even and odd days. I will give you guys numbers so print this e-mail out so you will remember what night you are on. Thursday is battle drill night so if it falls on your night you are excused.
The other nights you can have off or attend the dueling server.
Santa 1 - <FF>Killahoe 1
Razzor 2 - <FF>Scorpion 2
Rage 3 - <FF>Longhorn 3
Martok 5 - <FF>O'Brien 5
TomMag 8 - <FF>Frog 8
Wolves 9 10
I still need names from the rest of you unless you don't want this assignment let me know so I can change things. E-mail me Lets do this gentlemen!
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From: Pharaoh of Phones <celluwireless>
Lol I will be killahoe
I was gonna write you about this...DD is an evil that needs to be squashed it’s like the dominion wars when Sisko needed the Romulans help and they didn't think it was there war but in all reality the Romulans would have been destroyed and the same with us. We stand now we fight hard and we go to battle with honor and integrity on our side we can't lose.
Like the dominion for Starfleet the Nazis for WW2 we must wipe DD out and do it now
-Santa aka Killahoe
From: brashbr [at] comcast [dot] net
To: "SaW Martok martok"
Cc: "WP CONFED" ; "SaW Wolves9" ; "SaW TomMag LT " ; "SaW Tiddle LTC" ; "SaW Santa FA " ; "SaW Kirk" ; "SaW Kahn CP " ; "SaW Extreme" ; "Kenneth Payne"
Sent: 8/16/07 3:40 PM
Subject: Freedom Fighters SAW RAZZOR
Ok I have not heard back from Haze...
So we cannot waste anymore time we need to get back in and help WP kick DD's ass.
So Operation Freedom Fighters commences tomorrow night.
Tags will be ____________ No ranks will be displayed
TomMag is Frog
Martok is O'Brien
My Self, Omega and so on we can still use our original names on TS we can use Ten Forward channel to communicate we will leave the main channel for those who are in dueling servers.
Just a reminder that this covert mission is to assist WP. This is never to be posted on the web site. If this gets out it will tarnish the name of SaW. The importance of this mission is clear. If we relax our fight with DD and WP falls then DD will target us next.
As I told some of you last night this helps WP it helps SaW because we now can resume recruiting and enlarge our fleet. Some of our other members have not been around and it is presumably because of the war. I do not wish to lose anyone to the stresses of politics and war. We are the fighting force of the clan and that may never change, but we need to continue our growth.
DD will more than likely now start sending trouble makers into our server and say it wasn't them. "The Impostor Card” will be played once again. DD tactics are elementary in nature at best. If they want to act like children then we will treat them as such. I have sent Hawkeye a set of rules to him for his clan’s men to follow. It is the same conduct rule that has been sent to each of you. Most of you will be busy fighting in the war but Santa, Extreme and I need to take turn in hosting servers for SaW space and begin recruiting and training. We need to also keep our server looking as normal as we can. So not to tip our hand in assisting WP. This will be a bit of a tight wire act for us all. But with the intelligence that you all possess it will come easily.
I need to hear from each of you ASAP and I need to know what names you will be using so that I can send it to Confed. We must act quickly to swing the gate close and trap DD.
I will send each of you the names that we have chosen to wear under WP's tags.
I SHALL POST THE EMAILS I RESERVED ON OPERATION FF ON OUR HOME PAGE, SAW YOU TRULY HAVE BECOME THE WORST CLAN IN HISTORY!!!!! WE WILL LET THE WORLD KNOW TO WATCH OUR SITE WITH YOUR LETTERS THAT I HAVE ABOUT THE WHOLE FF OPERATION AND GOOD LUCK!
The rules of cease fire that Razzor has no plans of honoring
We are glad that you have agreed to a cease fire with SaW. I trust it will be long lasting and that our two great clans will be able to reform the trust and sign an NAP in the future. We are apprehensive at this time and only time can heal the wounds from this war. We also hope that you and WP will find a way to settle your differences.
WP is a honorable can and I have many good friends with them. If you would like I will once again offer my services as a mediator between your two factions.
Our server rules are quite simple but they work for us. We usually run a dueling server.
1: Ask for a duel
2: fire when fired upon
3: No self destruction in duels
4: no shuttles or escape pods
5: always congratulate the winner
6: SaW space is neutral and no wars will be fought in our space.
7: NOOBS will be either booted or banned "this is up to the host"
8: Two warnings will be given before action is taken of booting or banning and individual.
9: All tactic are fair game, tractor beams, cloak, tactical retreats, (mines, shuttles and escape pods often crashes servers) these you should not use, unless absolute last course of action
10: Be honest and brave and on your best behavior.
That's about it like I said not to complicated, pretty straight forward.
August 17th - Prom Continues to get info Razzor tries to cover up his dishonorable deed
OH SPIES JUST SOMEONE WHO DIDN'T LIKE YOUR TACTIC! UNDERSTANDABLE AND SAW YOU WILL BE TARGET NUMBER ONE FOR NOW ON, WP NOW HAS SOME RELIEF CAUSE SAW IS NUMBER ONE ON THE LIST. YOU HAVE MAY WORD!! ALL SAW SERVERS WILL BE ENGAGED OVER AND OVER AND OVER!!!!!! I WILL CONTINUE AND THIS TIME ONLY YOUR DISMANTLE WILL BE ACCEPTED! YOU HAVE MY WORD AND UNLIKE YOURS I HONOR MINE!
brashbr [at] comcast [dot] net wrote:
I kinda figured you had a spy in our bunch and now we have flushed him out thanks to your quick response to our Operation FF.
Which was a ruse to find out who the mole was? We will keep him here with us just the same. But I think he knows that he has been discovered. Maybe not, wasn't too hard to get him to run out and tell you.
Sorry to have done this but we needed to for security reason. I am sure you understand.
Saw members want to defect
WHY? AND THEY NOW SUSPECT YOU AND AS YOU KNOW DD DOES NOT CONDONE SPYING. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE YOUR CLAN AND WHAT THEY REPRESENT COME SEE ME JOIN DD BUT SPYING IS NOT OUR WAY!
bob bob <free2redto> wrote:
I am indeed a member of saw, but I sent this email to you intentionally.
August 17th - Razzor feels pressure of members leaving and tries to cover up his lies. Saw is at a turning point i am looking for the opportunity to change this war with WP!
PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM YOUR EMAIL LIST AND WHOEVER YOUR MEMBER IS, WE HAVE NO NEED FOR SPIES IF THEY DON'T LIKE YOUR CLANS DECEITFUL WAYS THEY SHOULD LEAVE AND GO ELSEWHERE! I HAVE NO NEED FOR SPIES I APPRECIATE HIS CONCERN IN YOUR CLAN HOWEVER HE SHOULD LEAVE IT NOT COME TELL ME WHAT I ALREADY KNOW. AGAIN REMOVE ME FROM YOUR EMAIL LIST THIS IS MY LAST RESPONSE TO YOUR CLAN.
brashbr [at] comcast [dot] net wrote:
I know that you don't trust us and we have strong reservation towards DD. And yes I know that we have people that we don't 100% trust in SaW and WP. Don't make the mistake that we are bad. We needed to find out who we could trust and who we can't.
Especially right after getting out of war. I implore you to reconsider your decision on war with SaW. Hawkeye you know I could not very well come to you and telling you that I was going on a witch hunt in my clan or WP's clan. I knew that we had people that needed to be tested. I am sorry for the way that I implemented it but I needed to make it tempting enough to get it to work.
We have no intention of breaching our agreement in the cease fire. It was made in good faith and we stand by it. I know that trust has been a big issue between us of late but we need to start somewhere. If we are ever to get back to where we were in the past we need to build a foundation together today.
August 17th - My feelings on spies as WP and saw members leave there clan!
I didn't put you in WP and I don't know what member this is. However I will recruit all members that want to join DD. as far as spying i don't condone this activity so if you wanna join DD I must have your true identity and we just talk nothing will be held against your past we will start new. Again please respond again you may not understand the DD culture yet in time you will. I look forward to meeting you and us working together but please understand regardless of what other clans do we will not condone spying. In this case you are not spying for I did not plant you in WP you are defecting that's a little different!
bob bob <free2redto> wrote:
If you don't want spies in your clan, then why are you asking me if i would like to join? and yes I would
August 30th, 2007 - The famous investigation on people who had duel core appearing to hack!
AWESOME GOOD JOB EXCEPT YOUR TITLE DW????
----- Original Message ----
From: Prometheus <prometheus_ufc>
To: stansholt [at] yahoo [dot] com
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:48:29 AM
Subject: The REPORT let me know what u think and if we can post it
Fast ships in BC
It was brought to my attention that cheaters had found a foothold in KM 1.0. After hearing that one of these cheaters was one of my own DW, I took a more serious interest in this matter.
Phase one of this investigation was simply to inquire about it. When questioned, F1X3R swore on his honor as a Dominion Warrior that whatever was happening was not intentional, and that was good enough for me.
Phase two of this investigation was to determine what was happening by re-creating the same circumstances, and running tests to see if we could get the same results again.
After procuring the aid of DW F1X3R head of DW Advanced Technology and DD Smith, we all ran controlled and uncontrolled test in KM 1.0, these tests were independent of each other using: windows XP, linux and both duel core processors and single core.
These tests were quite extensive and took five days of hosting servers, joining games and tracking results. What we found was: after about two hours of game play on a PC with a single core processor the game closes and the PC tells you your low on virtual memory, (Indicative of the famous BC memory leak.)
However on a PC using a duel core processor this doesn't happen. In fact with a duel core processor we let BC run for up to six and even seven hours at a time.
After approximately three hours is when the interesting things happened. Instead of BC closing or lagging down the game engine it began to speed up, causing the ships to move faster, repair more quickly and the torpedoes to shoot faster. Also we found that the game engine ran faster when we joined a game as well as hosted, meaning this flaw is not host contingent.
We also found that if you join a game that has sped up because of this, your game will not simply catch up, it will run at normal speeds but the game itself will jump around as if it’s lagging when in fact it isn't, mimicking a type of Virtual time dilation. (If there is such a thing) This speed up doesn't happen all at once, it is incremental. Approximately 2% per every 10 minutes making it go unnoticed until it is at an extreme rate. At one point we had to set the test ships engines down to 35% just to make fly the same speed as a ship just entering the game.
Keep in mind that these test took five days and were done by three different people independently of each other, the tests themselves are indeed conclusive.
Phase three of this investigation was to find out why this happens.
The duel core processor is designed to perform like two linux PC joined together splitting to task of the CPU and allocating the virtual memory in a more efficient way. Multiple processors are often used to increase throughput of large transaction-based systems such as application, database, and web servers. A server being used by hundreds of concurrent users will certainly process a greater number of simultaneous transactions compared to the number of transactions a typical user would generate on a standalone PC. In either case, the primary goal of a multiprocessor system is to increase performance by balancing the execution of multiple tasks among the available processor cores.
Dual-core processors, such as the AMD Athlon 64 X2, are comprised of a single chip containing two processor cores. Each core is an execution unit capable of running one or more processor threads, which are scheduled for execution by the operating system. A developer can define one or more threads in a program, which may operate independently of one another. If a thread is designed to share a common resource with other threads, the developer must coordinate thread interaction through synchronization.
The following link gives you a basic understanding of how the duel core works as well as a diagram of the multi-threading capabilities. Also according to:
"One of the main reasons that Intel introduced Hyper Threading was to alleviate the effects of a cache miss but, so far, that technology has proved to be far less effective than many chip designers had hoped. The essential idea of Hyper Threading is to build multiple execution units into a single processor core, if one execution unit has a cache miss, at least the other is still doing some useful work. In practice it seems that the two execution units are constantly fighting for data, often slowing the system down marginally.'
Keep in mind that BC was not originally designed for multi-threading. But it did and still does have a major memory leak and with KM 1.0 that memory leak got worse; with the duel core processor that memory leak is treated like a multiple task and instead of closing the application it just re-directs it which in effect speeds up the game engine.
Corporal Atlantis = Wolf Pack = Intel & Security
Fleet Admiral F1X3R = Dominion Warriors = AT Department
Lieutenant General Smith = Devil Dogs
September 21th, 2007 - DD reaches out to old enemies to get alliance in WP war! It worked!
ONLY ONE IMPROVEMENT NEEDED IN THE BEGINNING OF YOUR STATEMENT THAT WE ARE ALLIED IN STAR TREK THIS WE DO AGREE WITH ALL TERMS, HOWEVER WE ALSO SPOKE OF ALLIANCE IN ALL FUTURE GAMES WE PLAY!
LEADER OF THE DEVILDOGS
Prometheus <prometheus_ufc> wrote:
The Undiscovered Country
The DW, DD alliance
The Dominion Warriors have formed an alliance with the Devil Dogs clan. In Star Trek When the Federation and the Klingon Empire (Blood enemies) formed an alliance they called it the undiscovered country, so in that same fashion these two blood enemies DW and DD decided to call our alliance the Undiscovered country as well.
This Pact came with great consideration and compliance from both sides, and these considerations are as follows:
1. DW will have access to DD teamspeak.
2. DD will have access to DW teamspeak.
3. DW F1X3R has been designated as the DW DD liaison
4. Neither clan my work intel on an ally (this will be dealt with harshly by the clan leaders)
5. Both clans must abide by the basic rule of Honor (if it feels dishonorable it probably is)
6. Neither clan may SD in a designated war server or during a duel.
7. DW will not invade =WP= space for war purposes.
8. DW will defend DD space if necessary.
9. DD will defend DW space if necessary.
10. DW space is to be a safe haven for DD.
11. No DW at any time will open fire on =WP= confed or =WP= sent.
12. DW is permitted to recruit in DD space.
13. DD is permitted to recruit in DW space.
14. DW and DD are permitted sections on each others forums.
Both DW and DD Leaders have agreed to an open line of communication and have made counter measures to ensure this, any violation of these agreed upon definitions will not absolve the alliance but will be dealt with quickly.
As part of the Negotiations DW will NOT attack =WP= in the current =WP= DD war, but WILL defend DW space and WILL defend DD space if needed. (If DD is out numbered, impostors or cheats are detected.)
The reason this alliance has been made with =WP= as the focal point is because of prior allegiances that DW still Honors. Any other Clan that attacks DD while DW is present is far game.
September 27th, 2007 - DW is allied WP losing members, Saw having internal issues. The tide of war is changing.
Smith Intel report on death (aka Kragg)
Here's is my conversation with Death that I had last night. Just thought I'd let you know cause there may not be something that comes out of it.
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isotux: Well Well...
knightwolf21us: well well what
isotux: I see you took of you suit.
knightwolf21us: hawk will yell at you for talking to me LOL
isotux: He knows you’re on my list.
knightwolf21us: Cuz he's afraid of me
knightwolf21us: and afraid what I’ll say
isotux: I doubt it why would he be?
knightwolf21us: ask Naruto
isotux: People say a lot of things.
knightwolf21us: they got an asschewing for talking to me
knightwolf21us: guess Starfleet command ordered them not to now LOL
isotux: I didn't receive any such orders.
knightwolf21us: oh well his delusions not mine
knightwolf21us: oh and we got a good laugh over DD having 5 allies... Alpha bravo etc etc never knew you can ally with yourself but hey whatever floats his boat LOL
isotux: We've had laughs on our end as well.
isotux: Like the whole SaW deal anyways.
knightwolf21us: yeah like your guys getting busted twice LOL
knightwolf21us: and none gave you anything worthwhile lol
isotux: Oh I heard about that.
isotux: We didn't send anyone over there.
isotux: They went on their own free will.
knightwolf21us: anything ubica has for you is 1) Made up just for him or made up by him for you
isotux: Being a spy is pointless.
isotux: Unless you’re working on WMD's for BC.
knightwolf21us: oh yeah that's why his apology speech to DD said only high command knew LOL
knightwolf21us: exactly my point
isotux: Yeah a spy is pointless everyone on our end knows that. You know that?
knightwolf21us: which you better tell fixer to remove the hybrid mods
knightwolf21us: but hawk don't
knightwolf21us: he still sends em
isotux: He's the one that told me about the spy deal being pointless.
isotux: And about fixer did you read the report?
knightwolf21us: Dude he's lying to everyone so much he can’t even remember what he's told who
knightwolf21us: That's lame and that is not the reason for things going the way they do..
knightwolf21us: it’s a cover story for ppl to use the mods
isotux: Have you tested it?
knightwolf21us: you can’t have a hybrid arm the torps in less than 10 seconds
knightwolf21us: I have vid of him spawning and firing in less than 10 with a refire of less than 5
isotux: Yeah you got a dual or quad core?
knightwolf21us: that makes no difference dude i guess you and the crew have no idea how servers work huh
knightwolf21us: it’s a lame excuse to use a cheat
isotux: If I had no idea I wouldn't be host a server 24/7.
knightwolf21us: with lots of quoted technical data from the MFG
isotux: Not one line of code was modded.
isotux: Do you have a dual core or single core processor?
knightwolf21us: i find that hard to believe so according to your findings... he had to let his game play for hours before coming into a normal server
knightwolf21us: c’mon dude get real about it
isotux: No not play. Just have it on.
knightwolf21us: everyone knows
isotux: I'm not sure they do?
knightwolf21us: they aren’t as dumb as you think they are LOL
isotux: The BC memory leak is well known though.
isotux: On a dual core it's treated as a separate process.
knightwolf21us: yeah but a mem leak isn't made into a separate process unless the leak became a program itself and well I don't see that happening
isotux: I don't think anyone save a couple of people are dumb.
isotux: That's what the dual core is about hyper threading.
knightwolf21us: it just don't work that way lol
isotux: So I take it you have a single core then right?
knightwolf21us: but you can’t turn a leak into a process LOL
knightwolf21us: unless you have something to do it with by modding the core game
isotux: I didn't actually mod anything?
isotux: I let the game just be on for about 4 hours.
knightwolf21us: that's like saying on you have a leak in a water hose...... but having 2 cups for the water to go into instead of 1 the leak turns into a separate hose
isotux: So I take it you have a single core then right?
knightwolf21us: in simple terms
knightwolf21us: don't matter what it has it may it may not regardless I'm in PC repair and upgrades and i know
knightwolf21us: how can you claim to know you hooked an atx power supply into a micro Atx Mboard LOL
isotux: Do you know others with a dual core then?
knightwolf21us: that there blows yer credibility in that field lol
isotux: All I'm asking is you try it.
isotux: Cause I made a mistake only means I'm human.
knightwolf21us: well yeah but that there is a mistake not many would do since they are 2 different kinda plugs
knightwolf21us: if you can tell size and shape you'd know b4 trying to connect it
isotux: All I'm asking is you try it.
isotux: Or have someone with a dual core try it.
isotux: If you did it on a single core you would get a error message.
isotux: Saying something like it's low on memory or something like that.
isotux: On a dual core it speeds up the game engine.
knightwolf21us: well I've done played the game at times 5 hrs had it running all day a few times i never got a low mem error on my old system even and that was a cheesy gateway P3
isotux: During that time did it crash?
knightwolf21us: it may slightly but... Fact is if I'm running a server... It decides the data rate if you come in with info moving faster than that data rate you will get lagged out
knightwolf21us: no it didn't not 1 time
knightwolf21us: unless it’s modified in the software to run at the same data rate But change the times of things in the game
knightwolf21us: can’t just speed up the processing speed and get that result on a server
isotux: In all reality I know I didn't mod anything. To constantly prove I'm a cheat would be pointless if you didn't have a dual core to test it out. Or at the least have someone with one test it out as well.
knightwolf21us: would be too much for the server to take
isotux: *I’m not a cheat
knightwolf21us: OK say this all was for real.... You guys are exploiting a bug in the game to speed up your ships taking the advantage over the others... in essence knowingly cheating.... no way around that
isotux: And if your mind is made up about it then you'll never know.
knightwolf21us: i can see if it just happens but see you all know how it’s done right and use it to your advantage now
knightwolf21us: that cheating
knightwolf21us: point blank
isotux: We had done server tests. The only reason we had found out about it was because we were trying to make a more stable server.
isotux: When the game engine speeds up after so much time.
isotux: The ping (lag) goes way down as well.
knightwolf21us: and how can you do that without modifying any code
isotux: I've already told you but I'm a liar and a cheat as well I guess.
knightwolf21us: or running a prg that overclocks the software?
isotux: Just let it run on a dual core
isotux: For about 3 to 4 hours.
knightwolf21us: fact is it that is the case DD abuses it for their gain... you said it b4
knightwolf21us: hawk has said it
isotux: What abuse?
isotux: The server testing?
knightwolf21us: running the game for hours b4 playing
knightwolf21us: just let it run you said
isotux: Who cares anyone can do it?
knightwolf21us: so most anyone don't cheat or try to get an unfair advantage
isotux: Now had I modded my ships and all you could say I was cheating.
knightwolf21us: his ship is modded no questions asked
isotux: I did what anyone else can do as well.
knightwolf21us: I seen it myself
isotux: Should they have a dual core
knightwolf21us: No one does it
knightwolf21us: nor do they care to but DD gets beat up so badly every time they need that extra lil bit
isotux: That's like saying I'm a cheat cause Santa has dial-up and I have dsl?
knightwolf21us: razzor has dial-up
isotux: So I'm a cheat cause I have dsl and he's got dial-up.
knightwolf21us: see that's where the server comes into play
knightwolf21us: the server is only as fast as the slowest person there until the time they leave then it changes
knightwolf21us: why do you think dial-up users lag servers out for BB users
isotux: Cause SaW is losing this war so they send it Capt Dial-up.
knightwolf21us: cuz there's a traffic jam of info
knightwolf21us: LOL saw aren’t losing buddy
knightwolf21us: Its DD that's running away dude
knightwolf21us: OH were only playing BC on weekends now
knightwolf21us: were gonna play AA as our main game
isotux: We don't have a single main game that we play.
knightwolf21us: Yeah cuz Hawk done fucked up and started too much shit too soon in 1.0
knightwolf21us: then you’re calling hawk a liar
knightwolf21us: now he has nowhere to run to so the spread to new games comes forth
knightwolf21us: its classic hawkeye dude
knightwolf21us: Didn't I tell you this a long time ago when you decided to stab me in the back for helping you
knightwolf21us: remember that
knightwolf21us: what did I say
knightwolf21us: Exactly what’s going on now
isotux: I don't recall me stabbing you in the back no.
knightwolf21us: you asked me for help with DD and the next day I'm banned from DD remember that???
isotux: I personally asked you for help?
knightwolf21us: you asked me what can be done about the way things were cuz you were afraid DD was going downhill and you put money into it for the site and all that a
knightwolf21us: and i gave you a DD history lesson and my ideas of what can be done and you banned me for it
isotux: I remember you had mostly talked about the history of DD that day.
knightwolf21us: and ok you remember... and was I or was I not right about it
isotux: I'm not the one that makes that kind of decision?
knightwolf21us: where is DD now? In the middle of a huge clusterfuck war with everyone hating them once again
isotux: At the time you were considered a security risk.
knightwolf21us: well you all fucked me over for the last time in there
isotux: All that means is that SaW and WP have spread all kinds of lies about DD.
knightwolf21us: I had 3rd in command title but wasn't allowed to do anything
knightwolf21us: I haven't seen any lies
knightwolf21us: like what
isotux: Read the SaW forums.
knightwolf21us: what lies?
isotux: Well for one SaW is mainly about bringing everyone together under a flag of peace. All the while leaders of SaW as well as WP are bent on the destruction of DD.
isotux: We want peace but we are Soldiers at War.
isotux: I don't get it??
knightwolf21us: no... Id DD was to say ok we don't wanna fight no more hey wed be all for it... I can’t speak for WP though
knightwolf21us: DD started this shit by violating the NAP with a spy
isotux: Yeah like the 4 other times there was a cease fire.
knightwolf21us: if hawk wouldn't have done that wed prolly all be laughing and having a good ole time
knightwolf21us: each time DD fired first
knightwolf21us: we had no reason to
isotux: I doubt it. Because I was there when the arrangements were made for a cease fire.
knightwolf21us: and Cartman was the one that did it
isotux: Then good ol SaW had a secret plan that we had intercepted called FF.
knightwolf21us: just like the other war that was started hawk told him to go in and start trouble.. That was just b4 I left
knightwolf21us: LOL dude that was a ploy to find the spy you all had
knightwolf21us: and it worked
isotux: Ok man...
isotux: It was a ploy I agree.
isotux: To break the cease fire and say it wasn't them.
knightwolf21us: there was no such thing as operation FF
isotux: I guess we choose our own truth these days.
knightwolf21us: guess so, but I still don't see where there’s a lie about DD on the forums
isotux: There was a couple of times in game where Hawkeye was called Hitler and stuff.
isotux: Why did it all get personal?
isotux: Why stoop to that level?
knightwolf21us: cut think about it dude.. He acts like it If it wasn't for him DD wouldn't be hated
knightwolf21us: None of saw have any issues with DD members unless they come in shooting
isotux: I read about how you guys insulted him talked about his wife. What's that all about?
isotux: A clan of Honor.
knightwolf21us: LOL that's his problem man he shouldn't have spread that around when it happened
knightwolf21us: he told quite a few ppl about it RNGD had fun with the losing his wife over BC thing
isotux: And DD has no honor...
knightwolf21us: As far as other clans go no they don't
knightwolf21us: Hawkeye is bent on war... I told you that from the first time we met
isotux: You never see any of that on our forums.
isotux: And when it's found it's gone.
knightwolf21us: No you guys just post our TS info and tell anyone to go annoy us
knightwolf21us: or there was a time when in TKY games you'd all come in spitting out escape pods trying to crash the server
isotux: That was one guy who didn't have the "high commands" authority to do so.
isotux: I think it was removed when we found it.
knightwolf21us: was still done and post is still there
isotux: And what about you guys coming over to our side.
knightwolf21us: Dunno those names
isotux: Yeah cause they came over and wanted to see how pointless spying on us would be.
isotux: So they just ended up leaving.
isotux: Everyone knows my voice so coming over to your side and calling myself whatever would just be a waste of time.
isotux: and all the hack attempts.
isotux: I know you love us but damn.
knightwolf21us: hey here's an idea... You wanted to run your own clan... you were thinking about it... Take over DD... Oust hawk from his position of power... run the clan the right way and I’ll bet you things will change that day it’s done
knightwolf21us: you have the power to you run the damn site without that they be gone anyways
isotux: That's not going to happen man...
knightwolf21us: hawk don't want to drop wars he wants to keep conflict going
isotux: Why talk to me about loyalty and try to test mine.
knightwolf21us: says he's keeping saw together cuz of it LOL that's a joke and a half
knightwolf21us: dude that's what needs to be done for DD to survive
knightwolf21us: serious man
isotux: We branched out man cause we got so big.
isotux: DD is by no means dead man...
knightwolf21us: no kidding around i even asked him last night to do the right thing for DD drop the wars say no one loses no one wins and let it go.. Focus on building DD up
knightwolf21us: ya know what he said
knightwolf21us: well i don't have the log but he said and I quote" and why would I wanna do that?"
isotux: Cause he as well as I know you guys are grasping at straws.
knightwolf21us: he prolly has the logs
isotux: And will do anything to end it.
knightwolf21us: we don't care either way I wasn't speaking from saw i was talking man to man
isotux: You know who started this all.
isotux: I was there.
knightwolf21us: yeah Hawk, he was planning it B4 I left
knightwolf21us: from the day saw retracted the alliance and wanted the nap
isotux: Well I can't tell you cause you already have your mind made up.
knightwolf21us: his first comment was well we’ll kick their asses too
knightwolf21us: I know cuz I was the contact that saw made to inform hawk of the change
knightwolf21us: because saw was too young and an alliance was too fast a move
isotux: Santa had wanted to push his clan into the war by coming in one day and saying that he was there just to pick a fight.
isotux: Since then it's been on...
isotux: SaW had wanted to test the resolve of DD.
isotux: And found out that that may have not been a good idea.
knightwolf21us: LOL dude we don't care DD is not a threat to us in any way we pwn DD each and every time and they go running from the servers
isotux: It's like the bully trying to take your milk money on the school yard only we fought back.
isotux: And still fight back.
knightwolf21us: just ask fixer and Jamie I think it was how bad they got beat up by me and martok
isotux: In all reality this may never end.
isotux: I've seen screenshot that prove otherwise.
isotux: Fixer can handle himself that's for sure.
knightwolf21us: LOL I have 300 screenshots that prove otherwise dude
knightwolf21us: about 120 or so online so far
isotux: I hope your prepared to see all this through. It may never end man...
knightwolf21us: walked outta a sever last night with 40+kills 8 deaths
knightwolf21us: fixer was killed like 38 times one game 28 the next dude if you seen otherwise he's edited the images
isotux: Do you really think you're going to destroy DD?
knightwolf21us: LOL no I don't have to lol DD with do it itself LOL just have to wait
knightwolf21us: half of my prediction has already come to pass
knightwolf21us: just wait for part 2 to come around lol
knightwolf21us: yes Hawkeye starting the galactic war that he's famous for...
isotux: and part 2?
knightwolf21us: where he runs away
isotux: Ok man.
knightwolf21us: and DD vanishes yet again
isotux: Oh we didn't start this one man.
isotux: We didn't have to.
knightwolf21us: as in 1.0, 1.1, 0.9.1 and now soon to be KM 1.0
knightwolf21us: but now he don't have a new version to run to
isotux: Everyone wants to get a crack at taking down the top dog.
knightwolf21us: DD is not the top dog LOL
isotux: We're still here man...
knightwolf21us: not by a long shot
knightwolf21us: cuz DD scrapes the barrel for numbers not skill
knightwolf21us: that's all he cares about is how many ppl or how many site hits LOL
isotux: Even the noobs have some level of skill.
isotux: Since we're talking I got a question.
knightwolf21us: dude I gave him the math from one night of engagements with DD... There were 5 DD and me and Santa... Those 5 DD were killed at least 4 times each to our one time dying
isotux: When SaW is nothing more than a memory long forgotten where well you go?
knightwolf21us: saw isn't going anywhere and don't start the clan hopping spiel hawk did cuz I don't clan hop
knightwolf21us: if you would like I can go over that for you
isotux: Don't matter what tags you wear.
isotux: If your SaW or WP I'll fire on you just the same
knightwolf21us: was in DD first left cuz Hawk was never around but to start wars then disappear again leaving everything up to me and a few others that got tired of being his bitches
knightwolf21us: joined RNGD
knightwolf21us: was there for almost a year till they decided to not support BC anymore
knightwolf21us: joined SFTF and ran it for 4 months when sniper quit then they wanted to merge with another clan and I refused so I went my way and they merged with the clan
knightwolf21us: Joined USA cuz a buddy of mine wanted me in there... was there 3 months he left and I went with him to RS
knightwolf21us: RS was a failing clan and the majority of the clan quit
knightwolf21us: too much internal BS between commands
knightwolf21us: then after years of hawk begging me to come back and lead his forces into battle i rejoined
knightwolf21us: then was told DD was not the same as it was (lie) and being stabbed in the back a few times and not being listened to and the fact that DD members kept running away in servers leaving me there to fight many alone I said fuck this shit
isotux: Yeah man that's not clan hopping. lol
knightwolf21us: that's when Saw asked me to look at their codes of conduct and if I had the same views then I could join, so I looked and I agreed to what they stand for and now here I am a Captain in SaW
isotux: I've been in one clan. DD
knightwolf21us: it’s not
knightwolf21us: the other clans died off
knightwolf21us: don't see em now do ya
knightwolf21us: RNGD, USA, RS, SFTF
isotux: Well you let SaW just die as well?
knightwolf21us: no longer in BC, other than snip bringing SFTF back from the dead
knightwolf21us: nothing I could've done about the others, I wasn't in a position so say anything about it I was just a member like I wanted to be
knightwolf21us: didn't wanna lead anyone at that time
isotux: History is in the past I'm talking about the future.
knightwolf21us: so when they decided it was time to quit that was their doing not mine
isotux: Well you let SaW just die?
knightwolf21us: No now I'm in a good position, we all respect each other and we cover each other’s backs
isotux: I can't believe that Santa has any respect.
October 10th, 2007 - Cartman becomes very involved in war strategies!
We should allow peace with SaW, because peace will lower their activity and become their worst enemy and also it allows us to focus on WP. Our move should be peace with SaW if they don't get involved with WP and us as our original alliance was get a written copy and we will post it on our site..... Then we hit WP. This will put out SaW because activity for them will fall off, then WP will get crushed and their alliance is completely gone! Good for us.
Eric Cartman <eric> wrote:
It looks like making peace with OO and now USF has created a situation where both WP and SaW think it is possible to negotiate peace with us. Saw much more seriously. I have been playing with them on our boards but now SaW has posted on their boards that they would talk peace and I can IM Razzor to negotiate.
This is an opportunity we can play in 2 ways:
1 - Continue to toy with SaW and not really negotiate. I would demand that they drop their tags in all BC servers or they can wear DD tags lol. This would be funny but we could only milk it for at most 1 day. Would still be good for propaganda and morale.
2 - We actually negotiate a cease fire with SaW same as OO and USF. We demand they do not interfere with our war on WP. I would find this acceptable if and only if DD would then be committed to wiping out WP at all costs whether it takes a week, month, year or 5 years. WP would have no allies. They either fall apart like CB or run away like XG. Once that happens we could take a break and at some point re-engage with SaW and eventually wipe them out.
If we actually do not want to go for WP's jugular then I would recommend option 1. But option 2 would give us the opportunity to finish off WP forever and that would be a tremendous accomplishment for us.
I have not answered Razzor's post and won't until I hear from you. What do you think?
Oct 12th, 2007 - Razzor is out of SaW Santa resumes command. Things get interesting
I HAVE BEEN INFORMED THAT YOU ARE NO LONGER IN SAW AND BEING THAT WE WERE AT WAR WITH SAW DUE TO YOU RUINING ALL OTHER AGREEMENTS, THIS IS A GREAT MOVE FOR THEM AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SUPPORTING SANTA AND RAGE IN A NEW AND IMPROVED SAW. BEING THAT YOU SENT THIS WAS JUST ANOTHER ATTEMPT ON YOUR PART TO RUIN RELATIONS AS YOU HAVE IN THE PAST BETWEEN SAW AND DD NOW THAT YOUR GONE SAW HAS THE ABILITY TO GROW. SO LONG RAZZOR GOOD LUCK ON YOUR NEXT CLAN!
brashbr [at] comcast [dot] net wrote:
How can SaW have a cease fire with DD?
SaW has MPP's with FAD, WP & OO, with this in mind. If the allied parties ask for help from SaW, they must assist. A cease fire would have to be arranged with all in The Alliance and not just SaW. RAGE and Santa are not thinking dimensionally in this matter. DD and The Alliance will have to come to some kind of understanding if a cease fire is to be accomplished.
THXS WE SHALL SEE AND WISH YOU WELL IN YOUR PERSONAL LIFE. HOWEVER IN GAME I DIDN'T TRUST YOU AND I DONT NOW AND IT WAS YOUR CRAZY SABATOGE TO OUR AGREEMENTS THAT BROUGHT US TO THIS POINT. OTHER THAN THAT WE HAVENT BEEN FRIENDS IN THE PAST, NO NEED TO BECOME FRIENDS NOW. TAKE CARE OF YOUR LIFE AND REMOVE ME FROM YOUR LIST I HAVE ENOUGH EX-CLAN LEADERS ON MY LIST, THXS GOOD LUCK.
brashbr [at] comcast [dot] net wrote:
On the contrary my friend. Quite the opposite. Be it as it may I do hope that DD and SaW come together in friendship. I left SaW for personal reason none which concerns you.
Hawkeye if you Santa, and Rage can find a common standing ground nothing would please me more.
I knew it would bring you great joy to see your nemesis from SaW perish into the night. I have danced around your careless chosen words for a long time. Fear not my back water, inbred, one dimensional hick. You will not live up to your agreement as you have demonstrated repetitive in the past. Not just with SaW but with other clans as well. It is in your very nature to wave one hand and slip the knife in with the other. Santa and Rage will see. They are being single minded in this cease fire with DD but it is their decision and I will be the spectator of its results.
So on you go with your "Honorable" gesture of peace.
Again I say this "Only time will tell, and fate holds the answers. The future is revealed and we are left bewildered by its results." quote LOL
Remember Santa and Rage, "Once bitten...."
I really hope that you guys can make this work. SaW has the best guys in its clan. Good honest and loyal couldn't want anything more. Good luck to you all in BC, I wish you well.
October 12 taking advantage of the confused and falling apart SAW
I need you to start playing nice with Santa and rage also they seem to blame you for much.
Eric Cartman <eric> wrote:
Did you see their boards? Death and Cowboy are pissed!!!! We decided right last night lets be their friends it will split the clan in two. Especially you keep making nice with Santa and Rage it will drive Death and Cowboy crazy!
October 12th - On another front Rammstein's XG is not doing well
Update: Bounty and Lady Mich have quit XG. So K'hil, Patriot, Lady Mich and Bounty all left XG and Suntzu is in training somewhere and is not active, XG days are completely numbered. I wonder what Rammstein thinks now.
Cartman and I Look at all different fronts!
It couldn't have turned out better. Welcome to clanning! As you mentioned one thing certain is DD is still here! and all there little worlds have been impacted and influenced by what we do
Eric Cartman <eric> wrote:
Yes I noticed. This is a very ironic twist. Patriot screwed us. Then Rammstein screwed us. Then Rammstein screwed Patriot and Khil. Then we screwed Rammstein by befriending Patriot and Khil and now Rammstein is totally screwed because XG is disintegrating.
Now no rational people who were to know all the facts could not deny that DD has been instrumental in this entire affair. And as I see it our influence with the new DW will keep it going. Funny now we are playing all those guys and we have totally reversed what they did to us when they infiltrated us. Very funny!
October 31st, 2007 - Saw Santa and I start to see eye to eye. The war and BC will now be challenged forever. The Brotherhood is under way!